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Tweet #1752294776269918313 — by @DrawmanDude — Jan 30, 2024

#Pokemon + guns = #Palworld
Palworld + $$$ = Nintendo's attention
Nintendo's attention + Online controversy = the most anticipated court drama since Depp v. Heard.

#PalworldArt #Nintendo #Pikachu #LegalDrama #PalworldGame

Drawn on Bristol. Colored in CSP.

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    Capcom's Felicia, Jon Talbain, Ryu and ken watching the case. Ray and Mizoguchi sitting behind them also watching.

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  • You know what would be nigh impossible to prove? Damages. They would have to argue PalWorld players would have otherwise purchased Pokémon games, but Survival Sandbox and Turn-based battle games have next to no overlap. I personally play almost exclusively survival sandboxes and haven't played a Pokémon game since og Gold/Silver.

    In short, PalWorld is an entirely different genre, and arguing damages on those grounds would be a stretch. And there is no merch to speak of. I guess it depends which country they sue in.

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  • floofsnoots said:
    You know what would be nigh impossible to prove? Damages. They would have to argue PalWorld players would have otherwise purchased Pokémon games, but Survival Sandbox and Turn-based battle games have next to no overlap. I personally play almost exclusively survival sandboxes and haven't played a Pokémon game since og Gold/Silver.

    In short, PalWorld is an entirely different genre, and arguing damages on those grounds would be a stretch. And there is no merch to speak of. I guess it depends which country they sue in.

    I guess the absence of merch is a good thing - although I wouldn't mind palworld toys and a huge quivern plush. And a lovander action figure because reasons.

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  • alarkhar said:
    I guess the absence of merch is a good thing - although I wouldn't mind palworld toys and a huge quivern plush. And a lovander action figure because reasons.

    Nah, you and I both know that somewhere out there somebody is gonna make a lovander sex doll.

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  • alarkhar said:
    I guess the absence of merch is a good thing - although I wouldn't mind palworld toys and a huge quivern plush. And a lovander action figure because reasons.

    Quivern body pillow soon

    Also man that anubis and lucario is so funny

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  • alarkhar said:
    I guess the absence of merch is a good thing - although I wouldn't mind palworld toys and a huge quivern plush. And a lovander action figure because reasons.

    Chiilet dakimakura Pillow when

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  • Lucario is based off the ancient Egyptian God Anubis.

    Anubis is also based off its name sake.

    Pokemon does not own any rights to ancient gods.

    The God Anubis is depicted as a bipedal Jackal. Therefore any creature based off him would also be a bipedal jackal.

    Both being bipedal jackals are their primary similarities. Their only other similarity is how they both use martial arts. Which makes sense for a bipedal monster fighting without a weapon.

    There is no case.

    Similar arguments could be made for most pals and pokemon with similar traits. They are both based off mythology or animals that pokemon have no copyrights to.

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  • leon_hemming said:
    Oof, sorry...Playing devil's advocate online rarely works out..

    Eh, I tried. No one wants to read that much in a comment section. "What is a style" was a stupid stance to take anyways.

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  • leon_hemming said:
    Lucario is based off the ancient Egyptian God Anubis.

    Anubis is also based off its name sake.

    Pokemon does not own any rights to ancient gods.

    The God Anubis is depicted as a bipedal Jackal. Therefore any creature based off him would also be a bipedal jackal.

    Both being bipedal jackals are their primary similarities. Their only other similarity is how they both use martial arts. Which makes sense for a bipedal monster fighting without a weapon.

    There is no case.

    Similar arguments could be made for most pals and pokemon with similar traits. They are both based off mythology or animals that pokemon have no copyrights to.

    Luciario is based off of the anubian jackal, not the God lmao

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  • alarkhar said:
    I guess the absence of merch is a good thing - although I wouldn't mind palworld toys and a huge quivern plush. And a lovander action figure because reasons.

    I am mistaken. There is fan-made unofficial merch already on Etsy and stuff. I'd love to score a giant Vixy Plush, and hope you get your Quivern someday.

    data said:
    The argument on Pokemon's side is not that they are a game, but a brand. If you look at their games, they bleed into many genres and wear many hats. One of their most successful spinoffs, the Mystery Dungeon series, is just Shiren the Wanderer with different skin. They have a trading card game that has run for 27 years, getting up there with Magic The Gathering, and being older than Yugioh. They've dabble in trying to invent new genres, like with Hey You Pikachu. You take something and stretch a Pikachu face over it, and it can be sold for 20% more.

    While yes, they are different games, the issue comes from making the artistic style too close with Pokemon's. You generally can determine which series monsters come from according to artistic quirks, like how Dragon Quest has Akira Toriyama deg them. There are telltale features that characterize each artist's work (which is also why different generations of pokemon are so stylistically different, because a new artist designed them). You have games like Cassette Beasts not being accused of copying the monster designs due to having a strong theme, like how they heavily use pastel colors which can be seen in many 80s and 90s art, which complements the theme of tapes that were popular around that time.

    The main problem that people may have with PalWorld is that it seems to lack a consistent theme of its own. The style of the monsters don't match the art of the environment they are in, which gives off the impression that they come from somewhere else. And with AI art chameleoning its way into the video game industry, lacking enough individuality just invites bad attention. The problem with the PalWorld monster designs is not that they lack an art style (like in many AAA games), but that the art style seems to have too many similarities with pokemon. Yes, many of the monsters are based off things that exist, like the god Anubis, but Lucario doesn't look like a hieroglyph. Lucario was clearly adapted to fit in beside other pokemon.

    Personally, I look at Cattiva, and I see things like how it resembles Zorua with the eye shape and face feeler-things. I look at Robinquill, and I see a remarkably similar color palette to Decidueye (no, Robin Hood didn't use those exact colors).

    To be fair, I'm little more than an armchair lawyer at best. I can see the similarities, but that has never been good enough grounds on its own. Think Steamboat Willie, and that dog around the same that was similar. Or Tom and Jerry vs Sylvester and Tweety. Or for a more close-to-home example, Renamon's similarities to Pikachu. Or Link's striking similarities to Robin Hood. Or if you created "Bianca Lunasong" and changed one obvious marking, I'd not be able to do anything. As furries, there will likely be many characters that look the same or are inspired by one another. c:

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  • Yeah I can see why one of my friends was turned off to palworld entirely from all the discourse surrounding it. Not that she dislikes it but all the stupid back and forth wears on a person's interest for new things. I only got into the game myself due to the absurdity that emerges from the parody. Seeing what are meant to resemble pokemon, in basic design sense, working in a sweatshop with a bunch of assembly lines is just ridiculous enough to interest me. Come for the absurdity, stay for the surprisingly interesting pal designs like Univolt or Eikthyrdeer Terra or Arsox or Vanwyrm or Loupmoon.
    Honestly some of their designs remind me of Neopets more than Pokemon.

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  • zhiro said:
    Yeah I can see why one of my friends was turned off to palworld entirely from all the discourse surrounding it. Not that she dislikes it but all the stupid back and forth wears on a person's interest for new things. I only got into the game myself due to the absurdity that emerges from the parody. Seeing what are meant to resemble pokemon, in basic design sense, working in a sweatshop with a bunch of assembly lines is just ridiculous enough to interest me. Come for the absurdity, stay for the surprisingly interesting pal designs like Univolt or Eikthyrdeer Terra or Arsox or Vanwyrm or Loupmoon.
    Honestly some of their designs remind me of Neopets more than Pokemon.

    ok ok here me out. the palworld controversy is just a 1 to 1 reskin of genshin impact's release.
    Zelda/Pokemon fans malding over "stealing assets" check
    fans crying to daddy nintendo to sue the big bad company. check
    game journalists and game devs calling it a lazy ripoff. check
    new players going "its just BOTW/Pokemon". check
    had an over explosive release with far more players ing than expected. check
    had a wave of videos with "BOTW/Pokemon Fan play plays Genshin/Palworld". check
    was "heavily inspired by BOTW/Pokemon." check
    people hijacking conversations about it to call the game crap. check
    am i missing anything.

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  • leon_hemming said:
    Lucario is based off the ancient Egyptian God Anubis.

    Anubis is also based off its name sake.

    Pokemon does not own any rights to ancient gods.

    The God Anubis is depicted as a bipedal Jackal. Therefore any creature based off him would also be a bipedal jackal.

    Both being bipedal jackals are their primary similarities. Their only other similarity is how they both use martial arts. Which makes sense for a bipedal monster fighting without a weapon.

    There is no case.

    Similar arguments could be made for most pals and pokemon with similar traits. They are both based off mythology or animals that pokemon have no copyrights to.

    They didn't need to make the design so SIMILAR looking though...

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  • Nintendo needs to lose against pocketpair in the current lawsuit. Nintendo needs a lesson that they are not gods and that they can’t bully anyone

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  • dinkledot said:
    ok ok here me out. the palworld controversy is just a 1 to 1 reskin of genshin impact's release.
    Zelda/Pokemon fans malding over "stealing assets" check
    fans crying to daddy nintendo to sue the big bad company. check
    game journalists and game devs calling it a lazy ripoff. check
    new players going "its just BOTW/Pokemon". check
    had an over explosive release with far more players ing than expected. check
    had a wave of videos with "BOTW/Pokemon Fan play plays Genshin/Palworld". check
    was "heavily inspired by BOTW/Pokemon." check
    people hijacking conversations about it to call the game crap. check
    am i missing anything.

    Funny thing about that is Pocket Pair has its own botw ripoff, so this isn't new for pocket pair. That said uh...Craftopia(?) I think is less polished than Palworld but I still think that Palworld has a lot of work before it's as good as people like to say it is. It's not BAD but it's not a godsend of a game. Stuff can be balanced better, breeding pals can be faster and less random, bossed can be less spongy. They could drop some of the survival aspects to instead take on a more action oriented aspect since you ARE expected to fight alongside your pals, but it feels very clunky to do so. Maybe by full release time they'll do something about all of that but that's more of a hope than anything else. You spend way too much time in the 20 to 40 zone for levels and then to get to 50 to even hope to get a legendary it's a slog, and even at level 50 you're still unlikely to actually be able to handle a legendary until you're absolutely kitted out. So that's even more time. I like Palworld it's just "not there yet" for me to say it's amazing.

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