connect four created by blasticussaturn
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Doodled a gamer birb. Based on that one meme picture of the definition of "gamer" where it showed a happy parakeet playing connect 4.

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    If she's playing as the black pieces, I wonder how she'd react to me putting a red piece on what I can see as the right-most stack.

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  • BlasticusSaturn Comment by an artist on this post

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    neyex said:
    Your connect 4 board is the wrong width and height so I can't use AI to do a proper analysis. But I think the player with the advantage here is entirely based on whose turn it is.
    Basically if grey places a piece in column 5 first, they lose, but if it's their turn, they can place a piece on column 6 and then then, not sure exactly on the numbers but they might be able to stall until they force black to place a piece there first, but if it's blacks turn they can easily play column 6 to prevent that connect 4. although you could also do grey to column 3 so i guess that wouldn't really matter.

    It's based on an image of a real bird, with a tiny travel sized connect 4 board with those dimensions. My friend suggested I drew that bird as a gamer girl, so I just translated the board from the image regardless of it being a proper board.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJq-d6NXoAI-lA-?format=png&name=small

    But as far as I can tell, unless red messes up pretty bad, gray can only either help them make a line, or do something that doesn't get in the way of red building column 5.
    and at the current state of the board, it's gray's turn next. Since the birb is saying it's your turn and she always wins at connect 4.

    I could just be wrong though. I always sucked at pvp connect 4.

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  • blasticussaturn said:
    It's based on an image of a real bird, with a tiny travel sized connect 4 board with those dimensions. My friend suggested I drew that bird as a gamer girl, so I just translated the board from the image regardless of it being a proper board.
    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FJq-d6NXoAI-lA-?format=png&name=small

    But as far as I can tell, unless red messes up pretty bad, gray can only either help them make a line, or do something that doesn't get in the way of red building column 5.
    and at the current state of the board, it's gray's turn next. Since the birb is saying it's your turn and she always wins at connect 4.

    I could just be wrong though. I always sucked at pvp connect 4.

    It's not too tough to see who will win, assuming 6 black and 7 red pieces have been played so far judging by the drawing, 13 moves that will not immediately result in a loss remain before the 14th move will decide the fate of the game. It is black's turn to move, given they have one less piece than red, and using a simple counting strategy and employing perfect play (which will extend the game to the latest possible configuration before losing instead of choosing a strategy or move that results in a loss before it is forced upon a player), we can see that every odd move from here on will be black's to play, and every even move is red's. Given that the 14th perfect (until the final move which results in a loss) play from this game state onward results in an immediate loss the next turn for the person who played it, red is destined to lose if they cannot somehow fish out a draw or a win elsewhere on the board.

    Connect 4 is a mathematically complete and solved game, at any set of dimensions you can generalize a perfect algorithm to complete the game in either a win or a draw, assuming your play is perfect and so is the play of the opponent, and the error this time was made earlier in the game by red at some point for not blocking off a potential line from black. If red had played accordingly they could always at least force a draw in the game, starting first or second, if not a win should black ever not play the most advantageous move. The critical error likely came from allowing the opponent to stack up two sets of lines on top of one another where after forcing out all the other moves on the board, they force the other player to engage in a move that will 100% hit one of their lines for them in the last column remaining once all other options have been exhausted.

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  • BlasticusSaturn Comment by an artist on this post

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    roshinn said:
    It's not too tough to see who will win, assuming 6 black and 7 red pieces have been played so far judging by the drawing, 13 moves that will not immediately result in a loss remain before the 14th move will decide the fate of the game. It is black's turn to move, given they have one less piece than red, and using a simple counting strategy and employing perfect play (which will extend the game to the latest possible configuration before losing instead of choosing a strategy or move that results in a loss before it is forced upon a player), we can see that every odd move from here on will be black's to play, and every even move is red's. Given that the 14th perfect (until the final move which results in a loss) play from this game state onward results in an immediate loss the next turn for the person who played it, red is destined to lose if they cannot somehow fish out a draw or a win elsewhere on the board.

    Connect 4 is a mathematically complete and solved game, at any set of dimensions you can generalize a perfect algorithm to complete the game in either a win or a draw, assuming your play is perfect and so is the play of the opponent, and the error this time was made earlier in the game by red at some point for not blocking off a potential line from black. If red had played accordingly they could always at least force a draw in the game, starting first or second, if not a win should black ever not play the most advantageous move. The critical error likely came from allowing the opponent to stack up two sets of lines on top of one another where after forcing out all the other moves on the board, they force the other player to engage in a move that will 100% hit one of their lines for them in the last column remaining once all other options have been exhausted.

    lel, shit, I guess I fucked up then.
    just a doodle I did in the end. no real thought put into the game

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